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Live blogging the NSRN

Today I'm in Wolfson College, Oxford, for the first conference of the Non-religious and Secular Research Network. Now the plan is that I'm going to live blog this - i.e. I'll keep returning to this page to post updates through the day. hmm, let's see how that goes, shall we!

The first presentation will be by David Voas, a demgrapher at the University of Manchesster: "Who are the non-religious in Britain and where do they come from?" The room's filling up - looks like there'll be around 50 participants.

11:30
So, who are the non_religious in the UK. Here's the topline:

Ethnicity: In the last census, over half of people with Chinese ethnicity sad they had no religious affiiliation. For whites and Afro-Carribean descent, that drops to 10-15%. But there are virtually none among those of Bangladeshi or Pakistani descent.

Age: religion declines from over 80% in people born in 1910, to 40% of people born in 1980.

Gender: women are mmore religious, and this gap is stable with age. There's interesting evidence thaht this is due to social pressure. It seems that the drop in religion lags men by 10 years. what's more, the gap also appears in newborns (girl babies are more likely to be labelled religious than boy babies).

Jedi knights. around 3% of young men, and around 1% of young women classified theselves as jedi kniht.

Education: Although historically educated people are less religious, this appears to be switching for youn adults today.

Marriage: non religious women are more likely to be alone. Same for young men, though not older men. This could be cultural (acceptability of living alone).

Non religious are less authoritarian (although this gap is smaller in younger people) and less political. They are more hedonistic but less happy.

And the most religious regions in England and Wales: Norwich, Cambridge, Rhonda Valley and, at the very top, my home town Brighton!

12:30
Kirsten Barnes, a PhD student at Cambridge, presented her research into "hyperactive agency detection". This involved showing a small group of atheists and Christians images of random noise, and asking if they see any patterns (faces in the clouds).

Turns out there was no differences between the groups. This is surprising, because this sort of agency detection is supposed to be a trigger for religion. Turns out that there were several difference between he two groups. The atheists were younger, more paranoid, more psychotic, and more neurotic. Strangely, however, there was no correlation between paranoid ideation and seeing images. Perhaps the groups were too small.

13:30
Interesting presentation from Miguel Farias, a psychologist at Oxford. He's found that, when relating life stories, atheists are more likely to report personal relationships as the most important events in their lives. They have more perceived control over their lives, and generally a more hedonistic attitude. Interestingly, they are also more likely to believe that the fantasies described in the da Vinci code are true!

15:00
Ryan Cragun, over from Florida, is presenting on predjudice in the USA. First some demogra,hics. The nonreligious are not different from religious on education or marital status (after adjusting for age). They do tend to earn slightly more though.

He's looked at whether people who are self-declared atheists, rather than non-religious. It turns out that atheists face twice the level of discrimination as the non-religious. This is particularly acute in the social setting. Cragun thinks this because they are "out and proud" - i.e. identify as members of a minority and proud of it. Others have shown that these are the people who face greatest predjudice (because they are perceived by the majority as a threat).

In questions, it's been suggested that the people who state their religion as "atheist" may be more combative.

15:30

John Lanman has presented a theory that links the cognitive science to societal level differences in religiosity. The key ingredient is that threat drives people to increase their religious actions (devotions, attendence). The other ingedient is what's called "credibility enhancing displays". This is the idea that in order to believe what people tell us we need to see them act according to their beliefs - they need to walk the talk.

In low religious countries, such as Sweden, what happened was that threat was reduced (limited ethnic diversiy and high social welfare). People didn't stop believing, but they did stop acting on their beliefs. As a result, their children didn't really believe them when they talked about god. Hence religion did not get passed on.

19:50

Well that's it, all over now and I'm on the train home. The last presentation was by Colin Campbell, the doyen of sociological studies of the non-religious. He's incensed by the theory put forward by Miller and Stark that claims men are less religious then women because they have different attitude to risk - specifically because they're less able then mwomen to 'delay gratification' (i.e. undergo hardship now for rewards in the future).

This theory is flawed in all sorts of ways, most of which I covered in a series of blog posts earlier this year. Campbell seized upon the fact that this is basically a dressed up version of Pascal's Wager. On top of that, most religious people in the West don't even believe in Hell. In which case what, exactly is it that non-believers are at risk of?

I hope that's given a flavour at least of this rather remarkable conference. There's been some fascinating stuff presented, most of which I haven't been able to cover. Now at least I can put some faces to some of the names on the papers I've been reading!

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12 comments:

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  2. nostradumbass?

    Your observations are very interesting. I like your scientific attitude.

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  3. I'm going to have to start taking this guy's comments off. I left the first one up but it's like graffiti - if you leave one on he just posts more and more.

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  4. "women are mmore religious, and this gap is stable with age. There's interesting evidence thaht this is due to social pressure."

    Although social factors would be the first place I would look - are there any biological factors that might help account for this?

    "Non religious are less authoritarian (although this gap is smaller in younger people) and less political. They are more hedonistic but less happy."

    I found this really interesting. Something to delve into further....

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  5. @ Samuel

    We saw the higher religiosity of women in the Swiss census, too, and it was related to religious communities endorsing familial stability and reproductive success. Tom did a piece about that here:
    http://api.postrank.com/log?url=http%3A%2F%2Fbhascience.blogspot.com%2F2009%2F09%2Fwhy-do-atheists-have-fewer-kids.html

    Best wishes

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  6. Tom,

    Glad you enjoyed it - and thanks for liveblogging it! I'm sorry I never actually got to meet you yesterday. Though I look forward to doing so at a future NSRN event!

    All best,
    Stephen

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  7. I posted this on my pastor's blog after completing his "Theology 101 class. We were very unruly.

    Christian Church (Disciples of Christ) I put a plug in for yours.

    This wasn't an easy task for me to put in my own words. Here are a few.

    I’m glad we live in a society where blasphemy isn’t a crime. This is the value of our system.

    (His = her too = it? “Them” just doesn’t feel right.) I Believe this is what I feel-

    God’s nature and the potential of His church will never be bound by any of our imaginations.

    I believe baptism is the sign and acknowledgment that we are forgiven for the sins of our lifetime. Not a magic trick.

    Jesus is credited with this through his suffering and death, and this causes much anguish and confusion.

    I feel that the role of Jesus was/ is for us to learn the true value of love and to learn to love God. His suffering and death was for us to know that God plays by his own rules in His universe. His plan was not to torture and kill His son. His plan was to let us do what we will, even if we are to cause him pain and suffering- so we could live and walk with Him. And yes, to forgive God Himself for putting us in the position to experience and witness the horrible atrocities, large and small, and even those falsely imagined, that result from a casual universe. The very gift of free will and of His still incomplete creation. Our neighbors’ free will, and our own causes much suffering and grief to each and everyone. Jesus teaches us that we shouldn’t curse God for this, but to join Him in Our lamentations. We share shoulders.

    On the much more apparent side, His role was for us to recognize true love when we see it, and to remember to always praise this gift. We have the knowledge of love. What could be greater- even in death? I feel God is not bound by His space and His time. I also know that he doesn’t set us on a shelf like in a dollhouse. His Holy Spirit visits and “plays” with the dolls all the time. Sometimes we gets so close that our being physically ‘pokes” out of the house and we can feel his greatness when we least expect it.

    I believe, as great thinkers of our day say, that time and space is relative and continuously bound together. We are stuck in, and with time. I believe God is not, but that we are more than a bad/ good memory/ longing to Him. We are all and we all will come together with Him outside time and space itself. When we are released from our schooling.

    I trust we aren’t the only game in town. Our technology has widened our vision of His creation. Billions of stars are seen which turn out to be billions of billions of stars. Think of all God’s created neighbors we still get to meet. Getting to know and love them all may take an eternity. Hey! I guess we won’t be bored in the afterlife after all!

    I also believe that non-believers (as I was myself not so long ago) are seekers, often loving and loved by God. It is valuable to keep them in the conversation- http://hubblesite.org/newscenter/archive/releases/2009/31/video/a/

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  8. Oops. The Hubble link went before your plug. This was after your plug-

    http://bhascience.blogspot.com/


    In low religious countries, such as Sweden, what happened was that threat was reduced (limited ethnic diversity and high social welfare). People didn't stop believing, but they did stop acting on their beliefs. As a result, their children didn't really believe them when they talked about god. Hence religion did not get passed on.

    Keep seeking Tom. You're doing fantastic work. David Mc

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  9. Samuel, it's possible that there's a biological factor that explains why women are more religious than men. However, pretty much all the difference can be explained by social factors (see earlier post).

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  10. There is evidence suggesting that women - for whatever reason - are just more affiliative and social overall than men; therefore they may just be drawn to those aspects of religion.

    I also think I read somewhere [?] that the more socially oppressed a group is, the more likely they are going to rely on religious faith as coping tool (of course it's also true that religious structures are what's keeping them oppressed to begin with).

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  11. Hi Tom, Jonathan Lanman is giving a talk on The Evolutionary Origins of Atheistic Thought, Oxford on 5th April

    http://www.meetup.com/HASSNERS/events/17138765/

    Do you think it would be worth travelling from Bournemouth to hear him?

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  12. Chris, yes, I think so. Lanman has some interesting ideas, quite leading edge - although sure whether they will stand the test of time. But his talk should be pretty interesting. It's the NSRN talk? So there should be an interesting crowd. Unfortunately I can't make it.

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