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For atheists, the dead can live - but only if there's no corpse

In a fascinating new study psychologists Kurt Gray (University of Maryland), Anne Knickman and Daniel Wegner (Harvard University) have shown that people regard brain-dead individuals as less mentally aware than individuals who are completely, stone-cold dead. That's weird enough, but the interaction with atheism is weirder still!

They ran a few experiments, all with a similar set up. People were told about two different dead people, one in a persistent vegetative state (i.e. brain dead), and the other one dead and buried. For example, David has a car accident, and then either dies, or his "entire brain was destroyed, except for the one part that keeps him breathing. So while his body is still technically alive, he will never wake up again."

People tend to accept that the dead are likely to be mentally impaired. They're less likely to be aware of their environment, have emotions, a personality, to remember events from their life, be able to influence current events, know right from wrong.

Bizarrely enough, however, the dead score higher on all of these than the brain dead. In the words of Gray et al, the brain-dead are more dead than dead!

Of course, not everyone thinks this way, and here's where it gets really interesting.

Instead of just saying that David died in the car accident, they embellished the story to go into details of what happened to the body: "After being embalmed at the morgue, he was buried in the local cemetery. David now lies in a coffin underground." And they also asked people how religious they were.

The graphic shows the results. For the religious, it didn't matter whether they just said David was dead, or went into details about the corpse. Religious folks thought that David's mind survived regardless - except course, if he was brain dead. Dead people have a mind, brain-dead people don't.

For the non-religious, the corpse mattered. If there was a corpse, then David's mind was dead - just as dead as if he was brain dead. That's good - that's what the non-religious are supposed to say. Dead people don't think.

But if they didn't mention the corpse, well then even the non-religious were tempted to say that David's disembodied mind persisted somehow. They weren't as confident as the religious, but there seems to be a nagging suspicion that David's mind lingered on after death.

Gray and colleagues conclude that this is more evidence that we have an instinctive belief in mind-body dualism. Because brain dead people still have a living, breathing body, our instinctive thoughts about the mind become confused, and we get to thinking that the mind has been destroyed in some way that's even more severe than actual death.

The non-religious, like the religious, tend to think of dead people having a mind. However, "Emphasizing the body of the deceased allowed non-religious participants to understand death as a state without mind"


ResearchBlogging.org
Gray, K., Anne Knickman, T., & Wegner, D. (2011). More dead than dead: Perceptions of persons in the persistent vegetative state Cognition, 121 (2), 275-280 DOI: 10.1016/j.cognition.2011.06.014

Creative Commons License This article by Tom Rees was first published on Epiphenom. It is licensed under Creative Commons.

12 comments:

  1. How can they conclude that it supports mind-body dualism?

    I do believe that's an argument from popularity fallacy.

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  2. Oh, maybe they mean that we have a perception of mind-body dualism.

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  3. Since I can't access the article to see how they measure religiosity, my best guess would be that a number of the "low religiosity" subjects were not actually atheists, but rather were people who don't practice a religion per se, but have some level of spiritual/supernatural beliefs. It would be interesting to see the results if they used a group that included only people who self-define as atheist.

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  4. Andy, yeah, you're right. I should've made it clear that what they mean is that this is evidence that we (or at least, the Westerners they studied) are predisposed to think in terms of mind-body dualism - not that mind body dualism is actually real!

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  5. Don, they asked their subjects how much they agreed with the statement 'I am a religious person'. They took the bottom third to be 'non-religious', and the top third to be 'religious' - and threw out the data from the middle third!

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  6. Hrm, this is a bit confusing to me.
    Suppose I suffered massive brain damage that effectively destroyed 'me' and left me in a PVS...

    According to this the Generic Christians, etc would think I no longer exist? My soul got chopped up at the same time my brain did?

    ... Does my soul get reconstituted when my body finally shuts down? Would it retroactively gain any knowledge about what went on during the interim(eg: what my family has been up to over the past while)?

    This seems very strange to me, but I suppose that's how it should be >_>

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  7. I must confess to talking to my parents, especially my father, even though they've been dead several years. I occasionally even talk to the cat who died last January. I don't believe in any sort of afterlife or reincarnation; these individuals aren't there. They're so many dead bodies (or in the case of the cat, ashes). Yet, when I'm under stress, I still talk to them.

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  8. Gray and colleagues conclude that this is more evidence of mind-body dualism.

    Wut?

    It's evidence that people tend to carry a concept of mind-body dualism, but that doesn't mean it's real.

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  9. Oh, sorry, I should have read further down the comments... you've dealt with it already. My apologies.

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  10. Karen has a point.
    And though trite, the saying that "they will always live in my heart" is true.
    Our memories of people can, in a way, depending on circuitry, occupy our mind as if that person still exists. Since we really don't think of our own minds as inside our own heads, we false perceive that person of still living in a sense -- somewhere.

    As Tom has said, the illusion of dualism (like essentialism) is so strong that it persist even in atheists who are deluded into fantasizing themselves as purely rational.

    Fun article, thanx Tom

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  11. efrique, meant to fix it already - fixed now!

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  12. Cool! I helped make a difference! I'm going to take tomorrow off.

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