tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1051713021757781960.post5840514530021645349..comments2023-10-31T10:57:37.652+00:00Comments on Epiphenom: Why psychotic patients with religious delusions are harder to cure.Epiphenomhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/05420404206189437710noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1051713021757781960.post-505761428238455322014-04-05T15:44:43.029+01:002014-04-05T15:44:43.029+01:00First you must be able to accept the differences.....First you must be able to accept the differences..one is dealing in a totally different dimension then the other..and what if the normal world from which the psychiatric doctors anchor there beliefs from their facts of flesh and blood and man social communications that pose no sense of difference then meer animals with understandable intelligence ..I believe the information ib the holy scriptures to be true even if you can't explain them..if you're saying anyone who has a spiritual encounter with something you classify as delusion or psychotic then there are more psychologically abnormal people then not..we are a unique species we operate in three dimensions mind body and spirit and this only in this dimension of time..meaning present..we only understand the future when it comes to the present and our memories of what's past are only our experiences of the future as present releases.skiphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00244711661367696393noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1051713021757781960.post-4216837808656863062013-07-08T20:39:22.919+01:002013-07-08T20:39:22.919+01:00so how do we treat such patients?so how do we treat such patients?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1051713021757781960.post-10703313551428029592012-12-16T21:35:47.278+00:002012-12-16T21:35:47.278+00:00As someone with schizoaffective disorder, I can at...As someone with schizoaffective disorder, I can attest to this. I know I am at my worst when I'm engaging in religion. It makes my delusions worse. I heard a staff member in the mental hospital I stayed in say that psychoses want to protect themselves. I find that very true! My psychosis wants to feed off my religious delusions. I wonder if this is true in religious people without schizophrenia. It almost seems that religion is a symbiotic delusion in those without schizophrenia.Johnnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1051713021757781960.post-88633904429525188152010-08-12T17:50:25.496+01:002010-08-12T17:50:25.496+01:00This is consistent with my gut feelings about reli...This is consistent with my gut feelings about religion's influence on recovery from substance abuse, etc. It probably helps some people, but it also seems risky. "Surrendering oneself to a higher power" may be a comforting exercise which helps people to cope with difficult situations -- as long as the delusion of a higher power remains a benign one!James Sweethttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17212877636980569324noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1051713021757781960.post-32590302121206948042010-08-11T21:19:07.167+01:002010-08-11T21:19:07.167+01:00Scott, I should perhaps have said 'treat' ...<b>Scott</b>, I should perhaps have said 'treat' rather than cure. Have a religious element to the delusions can make them less (or more) troublesome. But when they are present then patients get less support from their communities and also are more likely to refuse treatment.<br /><br />That might be, as articulett says, because they are less likely to see their symptoms as evidence of a disease.<br /><br />Pierce... very droll!Epiphenomhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05420404206189437710noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1051713021757781960.post-39975027962533756452010-08-10T10:22:17.789+01:002010-08-10T10:22:17.789+01:00I suppose if one lives in an environment where peo...I suppose if one lives in an environment where people believe that gods or demons communicate with people, then who is anyone to tell anyone else that the voice in their head <i>isn't</i> god or isn't demons or isn't cluing them in on divine secrets?<br /><br />We live in a society where most people accept that some people get (or got) messages from beyond. We don't live in a society where lots of people think they are Napoleon.<br /><br />If you live in a society that ennobles the idea that there are invisible clothing fibers that only the "chosen" can see, then you're going to have a hard time convincing someone who believes they've caught a glimpse of the emperor's magical robes that the emperor is really naked. From their perspective you're just jealous because you don't have their gift.<br /><br />For all we know, Jesus could have been a guy with religious delusions.articuletthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09902568587446268437noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1051713021757781960.post-29279888439313522632010-08-10T02:56:27.014+01:002010-08-10T02:56:27.014+01:00Others had similar tails to tell.
But were they f...<i>Others had similar tails to tell.</i><br /><br />But were they <b>forked</b> tails?Pierce R. Butlernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1051713021757781960.post-54658767953531832682010-08-09T23:45:48.102+01:002010-08-09T23:45:48.102+01:00If only 55% of the patients experience enhanced di...If only 55% of the patients experience enhanced difficulty managing their psychosis because of religion, it seems to me that this research shows that "psychotic patients with religious delusions are approximately no harder to cure than those without religious delusions."<br /><br />Maybe I missed something, or maybe I need to read the original article.Scotthttp://www.nasw.org/users/mslongnoreply@blogger.com